SU-85 u Bosni

Na jednom stranom kvizu sam naleteo na ovu poruku

"Originally Posted by Kevin Kenneally
Amazing story of WWII armor. WHile in Bosnia, Sept 98 - March 1999, I ran across several different WWII vehicles in storage sites for the Serbs, Bosnians and Croats.
T34/85s, SU 85s, M4A3E8s, M36 Jackson with a cover over the turret, and two M4A3 hulls on a firing range we used near our base camp."

Na moje pitanje je li siguran da je SU-85 a ne SU-100 odgovorio je.
"SU 85. Actually measured the gun. Also, our interpreter stated he knows it is an 85mm on that vehicle."

Pošto nisam našao na podatke o ovom vozilu kod nas, zna li neko možda nešto više o tome?

... znam samo da su ga zvali übica tenkova", inace iz game T-34 ... ustvari, datira oz tog doba, pa bi zato i moga o da se svrsta tu ... evo jednog linka gde ga objasnjavaju od A do Dz ...

http://www.wwiivehicles.com/ussr/tank-destroyers/su-85.asp

Za ovaj M4A3E8, je moguce, najmanje jedan primerak je koriscen u VTI, a svi modeli oklopa, pa i oni kojih je bilo u par primeraka, su zavrsavali u NSC OJ u Banja Luci za potrebe obuke U voznji ili nastavne svrhe.. Ja do sada nisam nigde nasao podatak u SU-85, a rec je o jako (vizuelno) slicnom vozilu naspram SU-100.

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SS74 ::

Za ovaj M4A3E8, je moguce, najmanje jedan primerak je koriscen u VTI, a svi modeli oklopa, pa i oni kojih je bilo u par primeraka, su zavrsavali u NSC OJ u Banja Luci za potrebe obuke U voznji ili nastavne svrhe.. Ja do sada nisam nigde nasao podatak u SU-85, a rec je o jako (vizuelno) slicnom vozilu naspram SU-100.

Znam da liče dosta, zato sam ga i pitao da li je siguran. Pošto je kasnije naveo da je čak i izmerio top (kalibar valjda), liči da jeste.
Da nije i to neki od rariteta kod nas? Čitao sam da je bio jedan SU-152 kod nas, moguće da je i ovaj zalutao nekako tokom rata?

... bilo je nekoliko komada, 2000.-te, 2001.-ve, kao i 2002.-ge ... posla toga zaista ne znam ... mada, bilo je par komada i od 122 ... odakle, nemam pojma ... zasto - isto ne znam ... ali, to su ipak bila toliko stara vozila da je uopste bilo iluzorno govoriti o nekoj taktickoj upotrebi istih, iako je pogonski blok bio remontovan ( remontovan?!) ... mozda, kao NVT, ili tako nesto, ali sto se tice pokreta, udara , i manevarskih sposobnosti, mislim da za to nisu bile ni koncipirane ... sada su vec odavno proslost ...

U principu moguce da covek u pravu, i onaj SU-152, je svojevremeno ostavljen od Rusa u dukom blatu, te je tek nakon rata spasen i remontovan. Mozda je i su85 nabavljen na slican nacin. Dugo su vremena pokusavali da u T34 "uglave" top od 90mm, mozda je i ovde u pitanju nekakav eksperiment.

Moj prvi post ovde.

Kolko znam ex-JNA oznaka za SU-100 je bila "Samohodni top 100mm M-44"
Inace @Bojan sa ABG foruma je imao sastavljen jedan spisak u kome je bilo skoro sve sto je JNA kao i ostale armije koje su proizisle na ovim prostorima ikad posedovale, u tom spisku SU-85 nije naveden.
Moguce je da je to oruzje naknadno nabavljeno.
Evo ga spisak, odnosi se uglavnom na naoruzanje KOV-a (tenkovi, artiljerija, pesadisko oruzje)

Citat :

Posto je propao topic pri padu foruma ajmo ponovo... Sve sto ima * ispred naziva je u maloj kolicini/samo probano itd.

Anti-tank Guns:
*25mm M27 France
*37mm M35/36 Germany
*37mm M34 Bofors razni
*37mm M3 US
*2pdr Mk.IX UK
*45mm M32/37 USSR
45mm M42 USSR
47mm M35 Italy
*47mm M39 Italy
*47mm M37 France
50mm M38 PaK38 Germany
*6pdr Mk.3 UK
*6pdr Mk.5 UK
57mm M43 ZiS-2 USSR
*57mm M1 US
75mm M97/38 PaK97/38 Germany
75mm M40 PaK40 Germany
76mm M36 PaK36(r) Germany
76mm M39 PaK39(r) Germany
76mm M42 ZiS-3 USSR
*85mm D44 USSR
*85mm D48
88mm M43 Pak43 Germany
*100mm BS-3 USSR
100mm T-12 USSR
100mm MT-12 USSR
100mm M87/M91 Topaz YU
*100mm M90 TON YU

Mortars
*2" Mk.1 UK
*50mm M8 YU
*50mm M70 YU
60mm M2 US
60mm M57 YU
*60mm M70 Commando YU
60mm M90 YU
*60mm M94 YU
*3" Stokes
81mm M29E1 US
81mm M27 France
81mm M31 YU
81mm M34 Germany
81mm M36 Germany
81mm M68 YU
81mm M69B-K YU
81mm M69B-D YU
*81mm M94 YU
82mm M31 YU
82mm M31/46 YU
82mm M37 USSR
82mm M38 USSR
82mm M41 USSR
82mm M34/46 Germany/YU
82mm M35/49 Italy/YU
82mm M69A YU
*82mm M94 YU
*107mm M38 USSR
*107mm M30 US
120mm M38 USSR
120mm M39 USSR
120mm M42 RO
120mm M43 Germany
120mm M43 USSR
120mm UBM52 YU
120mm M74 YU
120mm M75 YU
*160mm M160 USSR

Self-Propelled Mortars
*81mm M36/M3A1
M-4A1 MMC US
M-60P (M) YU

Guns and Howitzers
75mm M1-4 US
76mm M1-4/50 US/YU
*75mm M15
75mm M18 Germany
*75mm M28 CZ
*75mm M38
*75mm M14
*76mm M27 USSR
76mm M36 F-22 USSR
*76mm M36/48 F-22 USSR/YU
*76mm M39 F-22USV USSR
76mm M42 ZiS-3 USSR
76mm M48B1 YU
*25pdr Mk.II UK
*100mm M16/19 CZ
105mm M56 YU
105mm M18(N) Germany
105mm M18/40 Germany
105mm M18/43 Germany
105mm M18/61 Germany
105mm M18 Gun Germany
105mm M2A1 US
105mm M2A2 US
*105mm M3 US
105mm M101 US
105mm M101A1 US
*105mm M102 US
*105mm M56 Italy
122mm M10/30 USSR
122mm M31/37 A19 USSR
122mm M38 USSR
122mm D30 USSR
122mm D30J YU
122mm D30J1 YU
*122mm D74 USSR
130mm M46 USSR
*150mm M13 Germany
150mm M18 Germany
*152mm M10/38 SSSR
152mm M39 ML20 USSR
152mm M43 D1 USSR
152mm D20 USSR
152mm D20J YU
152mm M84 Nora-A YU
*152mm M46/86 YU
155mm M1A1 Gun US
*155mm M46/84 YU
155mm M1 How US
155mm M59 Gun US
155mm M114 US
155mm M114A1 US
*155mm M65 YU
203mm M2 US
203mm M115 US

Self-propelled Artillery
105mm M-7 HMC US
*105mm Abbot UK
122mm 2S1 Gvozdika USSR
*152mm M84 Nora-B YU
*152mm M46/86S YU
*203mm Kiklop YU
Multiple Rocket Launcher Systems
*150mm M41 Nebelwerfer Germany
128mm M63 Plamen YU
128mm M71 Partizan YU
128mm M77 Oganj YU
128mm M85 YU
128mm M90 Oganj YU
128mm M94 Plamen-S YU
132mm BM-13-16 USSR
*262mm M87 Orkan YU/Iraq

Surface-to-surface missiles
9K52 Luna-M Frog-7 USSR

Anti-Aircraft guns
12.7/4mm M51 US
12.7/4mm M51/65 US/YU
12.7/4mm M71 YU
*14.5/2mm ZPU-2 USSR
*14.5/4mm ZPU-4 USSR
20mm Oerliken US
*20/1mm HS404 Swiss
*20/3mm HS804 Swiss
20/1mm M35 Breda Italy
20/1mm M38 Flak Germany
20/2mm M38/50 Germany/YU
20/2mm M38/51 Germany/YU
20/4mm M38V Flak-V Germany
20/4mm M38V/61 Flak-V Germany/YU
20/2mm M71 YU
20/4mm M75 YU
20/1mm M75 YU
20/3mm M55A3B1 YU
20/3mm M55A4B1 YU
*25/1mm M40 71K USSR
*37/1mm M1A1 US
37/1mm M39 61K USSR
40/1mm Mk1 UK
40/1mm Mk12 UK
40/1mm M1 US
40/1mm L/70 Bofors Sweden,UK
57/1mm S60 USSR
*76mm M3 US
*76mm Mk.3 UK
*76mm M38 SSSR
85mm M39 KS-12 USSR
85mm M44 KS-12A USSR
88mm M18 Flak Germany
88mm M36 Flak Germany
88mm M37 Flak Germany
90mm M1 US
90mm M2 US
94mm Mk3A UK
*100mm KS-19 USSR

Coastal guns:
88mm D-56 Germany
90mm D-51 Italy/Yu

Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft guns
*M-3A3-20/4mm YU
*M-15A1 US
M-16 US
ZSU-57-2 USSR
M-53/59 Czechoslovakia
M-53/70 Czechoslovakia
BOV-3 YU
*BOV-30 YU
*M-80AK/A2 YU

SAMs
Strela-2 9M32 USSR
Strela 2M 9M32M USSR
Strela 2M/A YU
Strela-1M USSR
Strela-10M USSR
*Strela-10M2J Sava YU
Strela-3 9M34 USSR
Igla-1 9M313 USSR
Igla 9M39 USSR
*FIM-92A Stinger US/Pak/Bosnia
S-75 Dvina USSR
S-75M Volchov USSR
S-125M Neva USSR
2K12M Kub-M USSR

Tanks
*CV-33 Italy
*L-6/40 Italy
*PzKw-I Germany
*PzKw-II Germany
*PzKw-IIIj/l/m/n Germany
*PzKw-IVe/f1/g/h Germany
M-3A1 Stuart UK/US
M-3A3 Stuart UK/US
T-34/85 USSR
T-34/85M/M1/M2 USSR
M-4A3E4 Sherman US
*M-41 US
M-47 US
*AMX-13 France
T-54A USSR
T-54B USSR/CZ
T-55 USSR
T-55A USSR/Poland/CZ
*T-55A2 YU
*T-55H1 YU
*M-320 YU
*M-628 YU
*M-634 YU
*M-636 YU
T-72M USSR/CZ
PT-76B USSR
M-84 YU
M-84A YU
*M-90/91/92 Vihor YU

Self-propelled Guns
SU-76M USSR
M-44 SU-100 USSR
*ISU-152 USSR
*SO-75 M-8 Scott US
SO-76 M-18 Hellcat US
*SO-76 M-18 Mod Hellcat US/USSR/YU
*SO-76 M-18 Mod 2 Hellcat US/YU
SO-90 M-36B1 Jackson US
SO-90 M-36B2 Jackson US
SO-90 M-36B2 Mod Jackson US/YU


Armored Cars
*AB-40 Italy
*AB-41 Italy
*SdKfz-222 Germany
*BA-64 USSR
AEC MkII UK
White M3A1 US
M-8 Greyhound US
*M-8 Mod US/YU
BRDM-2 USSR
BRDM-2A USSR/YU


Armored Personnel Carriers
*Bren Carrier UK
*SdKfz-251 Germany
M3A1 Half-track US
*BTR-152 USSR
*BTR-40 USSR
BTR-50PU USSR
*M-59 US
*M-75 US
*BTR-60PA USSR
*BTR-60PB USSR
MT-LB USSR only 1V13, 1V14 and SNAR-10 versions
M-60P M-590 YU
M-60PB YU
M-80 M-980 YU
M-80A YU
*M-80A1 YU
*TAB-72 Romania
BOV-VP BVP M-86 YU

Self-Propelled anti-tank vehicles
2P26 USSR
*2P27 USSR
9P122 USSR
9P133 USSR
M-83 YU
*M-80A LT YU

Rifles:
7.62mm M1 Carbine US
*7.62mm M1 Garand US
6.5mm M.91 Carcano Italy
*7,92mm M42 FG-42 Germany
*7.92mm M41W G-41W Germany
*7.92mm M41M G-41M Germany
7.92mm M43 G-43 Germany
*7.92mm M49 YU
7,92mm M98 Kar98K Germany
7.92mm M98/48 Germany/YU
7.92mm M24 BE
7.92mm M24 YU
7.92mm M24/52 CZ/YU
7.92mm M24 Czechoslovakia
7.92mm M24/47 YU
7,92mm M48/M48A YU
7.92mm M53 Carbine YU
7,92mm M43 StG.44 Germany
7.92mm M51 YU
7.62mm M59 YU
7.62mm M59/66 YU
*7.62mm M64/M64A YU
*7.62mm M65/M65A/M65B YU
7.62mm M70/M70A YU
7.62mm M72/M72A YU
*7.62mm M93 YU
*5.45mm AKS-74 SSSR
*5.56mm M80/M80A YU
*5.56mm M82/M82A YU
*5.56mm M85 YU
5.56mm R4 South Africa
*5.56mm M95 YU
*5.56mm M99 YU
*5.56mm M21 YU
*5.56mm FA-MAS F1 France
*5.56mm M16 US
*5.56mm M16A1 US
*5.56mm M16A2 US
*5.56mm C-7 Canada
*7.92mm M49 BE
*7.62mm FN-FAL BE
*7.62mm M14 US
*7.62mm Vz52 CZ
*7.62mm Vz58 CZ

Sniper rifles:
7.62mm M91 SSSR
7.92mm M98 Germany
7.92mm M48 YU
7.92mm M76 YU
7.62mm G3 SG1 Germany
7,92mm M69 YU
7.62mm M91 SAKO TRG Finland

Machine guns:
*7.62mm M1918A1 BAR US
6,5mm M.30 Breda Italy
8mm Breda Italy
7.92mm Breda Italy/YU
7,92mm M.26 Czechoslovakia
7,92mm M.30 Czechoslovakia
7.92mm M.37 Czechoslovakia
7.92mm M.53/BESA Czechoslovakia/UK
30-06 Bren Canada
*7.92mm M13 MG-13 Germany
*7.95mm M15 MG-15 Germany
*7.92mm M17 MG-17 Germany
*7.92mm M81 MG-81 Germany
7,92mm M34 MG-34 Germany
7,92mm M42 MG-42 Germany
7,92mm M53 YU
7.7mm Bren UK
*7.7mm Vickers UK
7.62mm DP28 Degtarev USSR
7,62mm M1919A4 Browning US
7.92mm M1919A4 Browning US
7,62mm M1919A5 Browning US
7.92mm M1919A5 Browning US
*7.62mm M1919A6 Browning US
*7,62mm M1917A1 Browning US
*7.62mm M60 US
*7.62mm FN MAG BE
12,7mm M2HB Browning US
12.7mm M2LB Browning US
12.7mm AN-M2 US
12.7mm AN-M3 US
7.62mm PK/PKM/PKT/PKB SSSR
7.62mm M84 YU
7.62mm M86 YU
12.7mm DShK/DShKM SSSR
12,7mm M87 YU
7.5mm M24/29 France
7.92mm M24/29 France/YU
7.7mm Lewis UK
7.92mm M28 BAR Poland

SMGs:
9mm Sten Mk2 UK
9mm Sten Mk3 UK
9mm Sten Mk5 UK
9mm M38 MP-38 Germany
9mm M40 MP-40 Germany
9mm M41 MP-41 Germany
*9mm M50 Mk.1 Madsen DK
*9mm M50 Mk.2 Madsen DK
*9mm M45 Karl Gustaf Sweden
9mm Steyr-Solothurn M34 Austria
*7.62mm PPD-40 USSR
7,62mm PPSh-41 USSR
*7.62mm PPS-43 USSR
*11.43mm M28T Thompson US
11,43mm M1A1 Thompson US
*11,43mm M3A1 US
7,62mm M49 SMG YU
7,62mm M49/57 YU
*7.62mm M51 SMG YU
7,62mm M56 SMG YU
7.62mm M61 Skorpion Czechoslovakia
7.65mm M84 Skorpion YU
*5.6mm MGV-176 YU
9mm MP5A2/A3 Germany
*9mm MP5K Germany
9mm MP5SD2/SD3 Germany
*9mm M11 Ingram US
*11,43mm M10 Ingram US

Infantry anti-tank weapons
*14.5mm M41 PTRS SSSR
14.5mm M41 PTRD SSSR
14mm Boys UK
20mm Solothurn S-18 Italy
7.9mm M38/39 Germany
7.9mm M35 Poland
*M1/M9/M9A1 Bazooka US
M20 Super Bazooka US
Panzerfaust 30/60/100 Germany
Panzerschreck Germany
57mm M18A1 RR US
75mm M20 RR US
105mm M27A1 RR US
*105mm M65 RR YU
*120mm M91 RR YU
44mm M49 RB YU
44mm M57 RB YU
44mm M80 RB YU
82mm M60 RR YU
82mm M60A RR YU
*82m M79 RR YU
90mm M79 Osa YU
64mm M80 Zolja YU
*120mm M90 Strsljen YU
*Cobra Germany
9M14M Malyutka USSR/YU
9M14P Malyutka USSR/YU
9M14P1 Malyutka YU
9K111 Fagot USSR/YU
*Vigilant UK
*Dragon US
*Dragon II US
*Drug YU
*Drug-M YU
*BGM-71A TOW US
*BGM-71C Improved TOW US
*BGM-71D TOW-2 US
*HJ-8 Red Arrow China/Pakistan

Kao sto vidite ima tu i nesto sto je kasnije doneseno (mislim da se spisak odnosi na period od 1945 do 1992 ili koju godinu kasnije).

Trpe, dobrodosao

Zaista impresivan spisak, Bojan je odradio opravu stvar, ja bih samo jos dodao
za oklopne transportere
*austrijski 4k3f
*cehoslovacki OT-62 TOPAS
ruski BTR-50PK i
BTR-60PU 12,

oklopni automobili
*Ford Canadian Lynx
takodje rumunski TAB su imali oznaku 71

Bolje vas nasao.
I ja sam primetio za TAB, ali takav je bio orginalni post na ABG-u, pa nisam hteo da menjam.
Verovatno ima jos koji nedostatak, a za mnoge stvari i ne znam sta su, ali dobro je za pocetak i nadopunjavanje.

nisam još čuo za BTR - 60 PU 12

Btr-60 PU, je dosao sa raketnim sistemom Strela 1, kao komandno vozilo.

http://www.oklop.net23.net/btr60/opis.html

HVALA SADA ZNAM!

Овај СУ85 је из документарне емисије ,,Пад Крајине,,

Mr. Majevica ::

Овај СУ85 је из документарне емисије ,,Пад Крајине,,

Ovo bi i corav video da je u pitanju SU-100...Pogledajte blendu topa,na SU-85 je drugacija...Obratite paznju na otvor sa desne strane za izlazak posade...puskarnicu desno od topa...itd...Mene bar moje maketarsko oko jos nije prevarilo...Dakle,na ovim slikama je SU-100...A evo i linkova za SU-85 i SU-100 pa procenite i sami...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5zeCoxORa74/Tgi2W5tOtxI/AAAAAAAABUQ/Yn3xEXCXse4/s1600/su85.jpg
http://data3.primeportal.net/tanks/dmitry_kiyatkin/su-100/images/su-100_013_of_136.jpg