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PočaljiNaslov: SU-85 u Bosni   SU-85 u Bosni Icon_minitimeČet Feb 11, 2010 10:43 am

Na jednom stranom kvizu sam naleteo na ovu poruku

"Originally Posted by Kevin Kenneally
Amazing story of WWII armor. WHile in Bosnia, Sept 98 - March 1999, I ran across several different WWII vehicles in storage sites for the Serbs, Bosnians and Croats.
T34/85s, SU 85s, M4A3E8s, M36 Jackson with a cover over the turret, and two M4A3 hulls on a firing range we used near our base camp."

Na moje pitanje je li siguran da je SU-85 a ne SU-100 odgovorio je.
"SU 85. Actually measured the gun. Also, our interpreter stated he knows it is an 85mm on that vehicle."

Pošto nisam našao na podatke o ovom vozilu kod nas, zna li neko možda nešto više o tome?
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PočaljiNaslov: Re: SU-85 u Bosni   SU-85 u Bosni Icon_minitimeČet Feb 11, 2010 11:01 am

... znam samo da su ga zvali übica tenkova", inace iz game T-34 ... ustvari, datira oz tog doba, pa bi zato i moga o da se svrsta tu ... evo jednog linka gde ga objasnjavaju od A do Dz ...

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PočaljiNaslov: Re: SU-85 u Bosni   SU-85 u Bosni Icon_minitimeČet Feb 11, 2010 4:16 pm

Za ovaj M4A3E8, je moguce, najmanje jedan primerak je koriscen u VTI, a svi modeli oklopa, pa i oni kojih je bilo u par primeraka, su zavrsavali u NSC OJ u Banja Luci za potrebe obuke U voznji ili nastavne svrhe.. Ja do sada nisam nigde nasao podatak u SU-85, a rec je o jako (vizuelno) slicnom vozilu naspram SU-100.

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PočaljiNaslov: Re: SU-85 u Bosni   SU-85 u Bosni Icon_minitimeČet Feb 11, 2010 8:59 pm

SS74 ::
Za ovaj M4A3E8, je moguce, najmanje jedan primerak je koriscen u VTI, a svi modeli oklopa, pa i oni kojih je bilo u par primeraka, su zavrsavali u NSC OJ u Banja Luci za potrebe obuke U voznji ili nastavne svrhe.. Ja do sada nisam nigde nasao podatak u SU-85, a rec je o jako (vizuelno) slicnom vozilu naspram SU-100.
Znam da liče dosta, zato sam ga i pitao da li je siguran. Pošto je kasnije naveo da je čak i izmerio top (kalibar valjda), liči da jeste.
Da nije i to neki od rariteta kod nas? Čitao sam da je bio jedan SU-152 kod nas, moguće da je i ovaj zalutao nekako tokom rata?
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PočaljiNaslov: Re: SU-85 u Bosni   SU-85 u Bosni Icon_minitimePet Feb 12, 2010 2:11 pm

... bilo je nekoliko komada, 2000.-te, 2001.-ve, kao i 2002.-ge ... posla toga zaista ne znam ... mada, bilo je par komada i od 122 ... odakle, nemam pojma ... zasto - isto ne znam ... ali, to su ipak bila toliko stara vozila da je uopste bilo iluzorno govoriti o nekoj taktickoj upotrebi istih, iako je pogonski blok bio remontovan ( remontovan?!) ... mozda, kao NVT, ili tako nesto, ali sto se tice pokreta, udara , i manevarskih sposobnosti, mislim da za to nisu bile ni koncipirane ... sada su vec odavno proslost ...
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PočaljiNaslov: Re: SU-85 u Bosni   SU-85 u Bosni Icon_minitimePet Feb 12, 2010 8:21 pm

U principu moguce da covek u pravu, i onaj SU-152, je svojevremeno ostavljen od Rusa u dukom blatu, te je tek nakon rata spasen i remontovan. Mozda je i su85 nabavljen na slican nacin. Dugo su vremena pokusavali da u T34 "uglave" top od 90mm, mozda je i ovde u pitanju nekakav eksperiment.
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PočaljiNaslov: Re: SU-85 u Bosni   SU-85 u Bosni Icon_minitimeSub Feb 13, 2010 1:38 pm

Moj prvi post ovde. Very Happy

Kolko znam ex-JNA oznaka za SU-100 je bila "Samohodni top 100mm M-44"
Inace @Bojan sa ABG foruma je imao sastavljen jedan spisak u kome je bilo skoro sve sto je JNA kao i ostale armije koje su proizisle na ovim prostorima ikad posedovale, u tom spisku SU-85 nije naveden.
Moguce je da je to oruzje naknadno nabavljeno.
Evo ga spisak, odnosi se uglavnom na naoruzanje KOV-a (tenkovi, artiljerija, pesadisko oruzje)




Citat :
Posto je propao topic pri padu foruma ajmo ponovo... Sve sto ima * ispred naziva je u maloj kolicini/samo probano itd.

Anti-tank Guns:
*25mm M27 France
*37mm M35/36 Germany
*37mm M34 Bofors razni
*37mm M3 US
*2pdr Mk.IX UK
*45mm M32/37 USSR
45mm M42 USSR
47mm M35 Italy
*47mm M39 Italy
*47mm M37 France
50mm M38 PaK38 Germany
*6pdr Mk.3 UK
*6pdr Mk.5 UK
57mm M43 ZiS-2 USSR
*57mm M1 US
75mm M97/38 PaK97/38 Germany
75mm M40 PaK40 Germany
76mm M36 PaK36(r) Germany
76mm M39 PaK39(r) Germany
76mm M42 ZiS-3 USSR
*85mm D44 USSR
*85mm D48
88mm M43 Pak43 Germany
*100mm BS-3 USSR
100mm T-12 USSR
100mm MT-12 USSR
100mm M87/M91 Topaz YU
*100mm M90 TON YU

Mortars
*2" Mk.1 UK
*50mm M8 YU
*50mm M70 YU
60mm M2 US
60mm M57 YU
*60mm M70 Commando YU
60mm M90 YU
*60mm M94 YU
*3" Stokes
81mm M29E1 US
81mm M27 France
81mm M31 YU
81mm M34 Germany
81mm M36 Germany
81mm M68 YU
81mm M69B-K YU
81mm M69B-D YU
*81mm M94 YU
82mm M31 YU
82mm M31/46 YU
82mm M37 USSR
82mm M38 USSR
82mm M41 USSR
82mm M34/46 Germany/YU
82mm M35/49 Italy/YU
82mm M69A YU
*82mm M94 YU
*107mm M38 USSR
*107mm M30 US
120mm M38 USSR
120mm M39 USSR
120mm M42 RO
120mm M43 Germany
120mm M43 USSR
120mm UBM52 YU
120mm M74 YU
120mm M75 YU
*160mm M160 USSR

Self-Propelled Mortars
*81mm M36/M3A1
M-4A1 MMC US
M-60P (M) YU

Guns and Howitzers
75mm M1-4 US
76mm M1-4/50 US/YU
*75mm M15
75mm M18 Germany
*75mm M28 CZ
*75mm M38
*75mm M14
*76mm M27 USSR
76mm M36 F-22 USSR
*76mm M36/48 F-22 USSR/YU
*76mm M39 F-22USV USSR
76mm M42 ZiS-3 USSR
76mm M48B1 YU
*25pdr Mk.II UK
*100mm M16/19 CZ
105mm M56 YU
105mm M18(N) Germany
105mm M18/40 Germany
105mm M18/43 Germany
105mm M18/61 Germany
105mm M18 Gun Germany
105mm M2A1 US
105mm M2A2 US
*105mm M3 US
105mm M101 US
105mm M101A1 US
*105mm M102 US
*105mm M56 Italy
122mm M10/30 USSR
122mm M31/37 A19 USSR
122mm M38 USSR
122mm D30 USSR
122mm D30J YU
122mm D30J1 YU
*122mm D74 USSR
130mm M46 USSR
*150mm M13 Germany
150mm M18 Germany
*152mm M10/38 SSSR
152mm M39 ML20 USSR
152mm M43 D1 USSR
152mm D20 USSR
152mm D20J YU
152mm M84 Nora-A YU
*152mm M46/86 YU
155mm M1A1 Gun US
*155mm M46/84 YU
155mm M1 How US
155mm M59 Gun US
155mm M114 US
155mm M114A1 US
*155mm M65 YU
203mm M2 US
203mm M115 US

Self-propelled Artillery
105mm M-7 HMC US
*105mm Abbot UK
122mm 2S1 Gvozdika USSR
*152mm M84 Nora-B YU
*152mm M46/86S YU
*203mm Kiklop YU
Multiple Rocket Launcher Systems
*150mm M41 Nebelwerfer Germany
128mm M63 Plamen YU
128mm M71 Partizan YU
128mm M77 Oganj YU
128mm M85 YU
128mm M90 Oganj YU
128mm M94 Plamen-S YU
132mm BM-13-16 USSR
*262mm M87 Orkan YU/Iraq

Surface-to-surface missiles
9K52 Luna-M Frog-7 USSR

Anti-Aircraft guns
12.7/4mm M51 US
12.7/4mm M51/65 US/YU
12.7/4mm M71 YU
*14.5/2mm ZPU-2 USSR
*14.5/4mm ZPU-4 USSR
20mm Oerliken US
*20/1mm HS404 Swiss
*20/3mm HS804 Swiss
20/1mm M35 Breda Italy
20/1mm M38 Flak Germany
20/2mm M38/50 Germany/YU
20/2mm M38/51 Germany/YU
20/4mm M38V Flak-V Germany
20/4mm M38V/61 Flak-V Germany/YU
20/2mm M71 YU
20/4mm M75 YU
20/1mm M75 YU
20/3mm M55A3B1 YU
20/3mm M55A4B1 YU
*25/1mm M40 71K USSR
*37/1mm M1A1 US
37/1mm M39 61K USSR
40/1mm Mk1 UK
40/1mm Mk12 UK
40/1mm M1 US
40/1mm L/70 Bofors Sweden,UK
57/1mm S60 USSR
*76mm M3 US
*76mm Mk.3 UK
*76mm M38 SSSR
85mm M39 KS-12 USSR
85mm M44 KS-12A USSR
88mm M18 Flak Germany
88mm M36 Flak Germany
88mm M37 Flak Germany
90mm M1 US
90mm M2 US
94mm Mk3A UK
*100mm KS-19 USSR

Coastal guns:
88mm D-56 Germany
90mm D-51 Italy/Yu

Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft guns
*M-3A3-20/4mm YU
*M-15A1 US
M-16 US
ZSU-57-2 USSR
M-53/59 Czechoslovakia
M-53/70 Czechoslovakia
BOV-3 YU
*BOV-30 YU
*M-80AK/A2 YU

SAMs
Strela-2 9M32 USSR
Strela 2M 9M32M USSR
Strela 2M/A YU
Strela-1M USSR
Strela-10M USSR
*Strela-10M2J Sava YU
Strela-3 9M34 USSR
Igla-1 9M313 USSR
Igla 9M39 USSR
*FIM-92A Stinger US/Pak/Bosnia
S-75 Dvina USSR
S-75M Volchov USSR
S-125M Neva USSR
2K12M Kub-M USSR

Tanks
*CV-33 Italy
*L-6/40 Italy
*PzKw-I Germany
*PzKw-II Germany
*PzKw-IIIj/l/m/n Germany
*PzKw-IVe/f1/g/h Germany
M-3A1 Stuart UK/US
M-3A3 Stuart UK/US
T-34/85 USSR
T-34/85M/M1/M2 USSR
M-4A3E4 Sherman US
*M-41 US
M-47 US
*AMX-13 France
T-54A USSR
T-54B USSR/CZ
T-55 USSR
T-55A USSR/Poland/CZ
*T-55A2 YU
*T-55H1 YU
*M-320 YU
*M-628 YU
*M-634 YU
*M-636 YU
T-72M USSR/CZ
PT-76B USSR
M-84 YU
M-84A YU
*M-90/91/92 Vihor YU

Self-propelled Guns
SU-76M USSR
M-44 SU-100 USSR
*ISU-152 USSR
*SO-75 M-8 Scott US
SO-76 M-18 Hellcat US
*SO-76 M-18 Mod Hellcat US/USSR/YU
*SO-76 M-18 Mod 2 Hellcat US/YU
SO-90 M-36B1 Jackson US
SO-90 M-36B2 Jackson US
SO-90 M-36B2 Mod Jackson US/YU


Armored Cars
*AB-40 Italy
*AB-41 Italy
*SdKfz-222 Germany
*BA-64 USSR
AEC MkII UK
White M3A1 US
M-8 Greyhound US
*M-8 Mod US/YU
BRDM-2 USSR
BRDM-2A USSR/YU


Armored Personnel Carriers
*Bren Carrier UK
*SdKfz-251 Germany
M3A1 Half-track US
*BTR-152 USSR
*BTR-40 USSR
BTR-50PU USSR
*M-59 US
*M-75 US
*BTR-60PA USSR
*BTR-60PB USSR
MT-LB USSR only 1V13, 1V14 and SNAR-10 versions
M-60P M-590 YU
M-60PB YU
M-80 M-980 YU
M-80A YU
*M-80A1 YU
*TAB-72 Romania
BOV-VP BVP M-86 YU

Self-Propelled anti-tank vehicles
2P26 USSR
*2P27 USSR
9P122 USSR
9P133 USSR
M-83 YU
*M-80A LT YU

Rifles:
7.62mm M1 Carbine US
*7.62mm M1 Garand US
6.5mm M.91 Carcano Italy
*7,92mm M42 FG-42 Germany
*7.92mm M41W G-41W Germany
*7.92mm M41M G-41M Germany
7.92mm M43 G-43 Germany
*7.92mm M49 YU
7,92mm M98 Kar98K Germany
7.92mm M98/48 Germany/YU
7.92mm M24 BE
7.92mm M24 YU
7.92mm M24/52 CZ/YU
7.92mm M24 Czechoslovakia
7.92mm M24/47 YU
7,92mm M48/M48A YU
7.92mm M53 Carbine YU
7,92mm M43 StG.44 Germany
7.92mm M51 YU
7.62mm M59 YU
7.62mm M59/66 YU
*7.62mm M64/M64A YU
*7.62mm M65/M65A/M65B YU
7.62mm M70/M70A YU
7.62mm M72/M72A YU
*7.62mm M93 YU
*5.45mm AKS-74 SSSR
*5.56mm M80/M80A YU
*5.56mm M82/M82A YU
*5.56mm M85 YU
5.56mm R4 South Africa
*5.56mm M95 YU
*5.56mm M99 YU
*5.56mm M21 YU
*5.56mm FA-MAS F1 France
*5.56mm M16 US
*5.56mm M16A1 US
*5.56mm M16A2 US
*5.56mm C-7 Canada
*7.92mm M49 BE
*7.62mm FN-FAL BE
*7.62mm M14 US
*7.62mm Vz52 CZ
*7.62mm Vz58 CZ

Sniper rifles:
7.62mm M91 SSSR
7.92mm M98 Germany
7.92mm M48 YU
7.92mm M76 YU
7.62mm G3 SG1 Germany
7,92mm M69 YU
7.62mm M91 SAKO TRG Finland

Machine guns:
*7.62mm M1918A1 BAR US
6,5mm M.30 Breda Italy
8mm Breda Italy
7.92mm Breda Italy/YU
7,92mm M.26 Czechoslovakia
7,92mm M.30 Czechoslovakia
7.92mm M.37 Czechoslovakia
7.92mm M.53/BESA Czechoslovakia/UK
30-06 Bren Canada
*7.92mm M13 MG-13 Germany
*7.95mm M15 MG-15 Germany
*7.92mm M17 MG-17 Germany
*7.92mm M81 MG-81 Germany
7,92mm M34 MG-34 Germany
7,92mm M42 MG-42 Germany
7,92mm M53 YU
7.7mm Bren UK
*7.7mm Vickers UK
7.62mm DP28 Degtarev USSR
7,62mm M1919A4 Browning US
7.92mm M1919A4 Browning US
7,62mm M1919A5 Browning US
7.92mm M1919A5 Browning US
*7.62mm M1919A6 Browning US
*7,62mm M1917A1 Browning US
*7.62mm M60 US
*7.62mm FN MAG BE
12,7mm M2HB Browning US
12.7mm M2LB Browning US
12.7mm AN-M2 US
12.7mm AN-M3 US
7.62mm PK/PKM/PKT/PKB SSSR
7.62mm M84 YU
7.62mm M86 YU
12.7mm DShK/DShKM SSSR
12,7mm M87 YU
7.5mm M24/29 France
7.92mm M24/29 France/YU
7.7mm Lewis UK
7.92mm M28 BAR Poland

SMGs:
9mm Sten Mk2 UK
9mm Sten Mk3 UK
9mm Sten Mk5 UK
9mm M38 MP-38 Germany
9mm M40 MP-40 Germany
9mm M41 MP-41 Germany
*9mm M50 Mk.1 Madsen DK
*9mm M50 Mk.2 Madsen DK
*9mm M45 Karl Gustaf Sweden
9mm Steyr-Solothurn M34 Austria
*7.62mm PPD-40 USSR
7,62mm PPSh-41 USSR
*7.62mm PPS-43 USSR
*11.43mm M28T Thompson US
11,43mm M1A1 Thompson US
*11,43mm M3A1 US
7,62mm M49 SMG YU
7,62mm M49/57 YU
*7.62mm M51 SMG YU
7,62mm M56 SMG YU
7.62mm M61 Skorpion Czechoslovakia
7.65mm M84 Skorpion YU
*5.6mm MGV-176 YU
9mm MP5A2/A3 Germany
*9mm MP5K Germany
9mm MP5SD2/SD3 Germany
*9mm M11 Ingram US
*11,43mm M10 Ingram US

Infantry anti-tank weapons
*14.5mm M41 PTRS SSSR
14.5mm M41 PTRD SSSR
14mm Boys UK
20mm Solothurn S-18 Italy
7.9mm M38/39 Germany
7.9mm M35 Poland
*M1/M9/M9A1 Bazooka US
M20 Super Bazooka US
Panzerfaust 30/60/100 Germany
Panzerschreck Germany
57mm M18A1 RR US
75mm M20 RR US
105mm M27A1 RR US
*105mm M65 RR YU
*120mm M91 RR YU
44mm M49 RB YU
44mm M57 RB YU
44mm M80 RB YU
82mm M60 RR YU
82mm M60A RR YU
*82m M79 RR YU
90mm M79 Osa YU
64mm M80 Zolja YU
*120mm M90 Strsljen YU
*Cobra Germany
9M14M Malyutka USSR/YU
9M14P Malyutka USSR/YU
9M14P1 Malyutka YU
9K111 Fagot USSR/YU
*Vigilant UK
*Dragon US
*Dragon II US
*Drug YU
*Drug-M YU
*BGM-71A TOW US
*BGM-71C Improved TOW US
*BGM-71D TOW-2 US
*HJ-8 Red Arrow China/Pakistan

Kao sto vidite ima tu i nesto sto je kasnije doneseno (mislim da se spisak odnosi na period od 1945 do 1992 ili koju godinu kasnije).
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PočaljiNaslov: Re: SU-85 u Bosni   SU-85 u Bosni Icon_minitimeNed Feb 14, 2010 7:24 pm

Trpe, dobrodosao SU-85 u Bosni Icon_cheers

Zaista impresivan spisak, Bojan je odradio opravu stvar, ja bih samo jos dodao
za oklopne transportere
*austrijski 4k3f
*cehoslovacki OT-62 TOPAS
ruski BTR-50PK i
BTR-60PU 12,

oklopni automobili
*Ford Canadian Lynx
takodje rumunski TAB su imali oznaku 71
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PočaljiNaslov: Re: SU-85 u Bosni   SU-85 u Bosni Icon_minitimePon Feb 15, 2010 8:47 pm

Bolje vas nasao. Very Happy
I ja sam primetio za TAB, ali takav je bio orginalni post na ABG-u, pa nisam hteo da menjam.
Verovatno ima jos koji nedostatak, a za mnoge stvari i ne znam sta su, ali dobro je za pocetak i nadopunjavanje. pirat
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PočaljiNaslov: ?   SU-85 u Bosni Icon_minitimeSub Mar 20, 2010 10:46 pm

nisam još čuo za BTR - 60 PU 12
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PočaljiNaslov: Re: SU-85 u Bosni   SU-85 u Bosni Icon_minitimeNed Mar 21, 2010 5:47 pm

Btr-60 PU, je dosao sa raketnim sistemom Strela 1, kao komandno vozilo.

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PočaljiNaslov: HVALA!   SU-85 u Bosni Icon_minitimeNed Mar 21, 2010 6:19 pm

HVALA SADA ZNAM!
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PočaljiNaslov: Re: SU-85 u Bosni   SU-85 u Bosni Icon_minitimeSre Mar 09, 2011 2:00 pm

Овај СУ85 је из документарне емисије ,,Пад Крајине,,

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PočaljiNaslov: Re: SU-85 u Bosni   SU-85 u Bosni Icon_minitimePet Nov 11, 2011 11:09 am

Mr. Majevica ::
Овај СУ85 је из документарне емисије ,,Пад Крајине,,

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Ovo bi i corav video da je u pitanju SU-100...Pogledajte blendu topa,na SU-85 je drugacija...Obratite paznju na otvor sa desne strane za izlazak posade...puskarnicu desno od topa...itd...Mene bar moje maketarsko oko jos nije prevarilo...Dakle,na ovim slikama je SU-100...A evo i linkova za SU-85 i SU-100 pa procenite i sami...

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