Hitlerove Tajne vojne projekte

Ju-287 1944













General characteristics

Crew: two, pilot and co-pilot
Length: 18.30 m (60 ft)
Wingspan: 20.11 m (65 ft 11 in)
Height: 4.70 m (15 ft)
Wing area: 61 m² (655 ft²)
Empty weight: 12,500 kg (27,500 lb)
Loaded weight: 20,000 kg (44,000 lb)
Powerplant: 4 (prototype #1) or 6 (prototype #2)× Junkers Jumo 004B-1 turbojets, 8,825 kN (1,984 lbf) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 780 km/h (487.5 mph)
Range: 1,570 km (980 miles)
Service ceiling: 9,400 m (30,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 580 m/min (1,890 ft/min)
Armament


Guns: 2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine guns in tail turret
Bombs: 4,000 kg (8,800 lb) of bombs (proposed)

HE-162












Crew: 1, pilot
Length: 9.05 m (29 ft 8 in)
Wingspan: 7.2 m (23 ft 7 in)
Height: 2.6 m (8 ft 6 in)
Wing area: 14.5 m² (156 ft²)
Empty weight: 1,660 kg (3,660 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 2,800 kg (6,180 lb)
Powerplant: 1× BMW 003E-1 or E-2 axial flow turbojet, 7.85 kN (1,760 lbf)
Performance

Maximum speed: 905 km/h (562 mph)
Range: 975 km (606 mi)
Service ceiling: 12,000 m (39,400 ft)
Rate of climb: 1,405 m/min (4,615 ft/min)
Armament


Guns:

2 × 30 mm MK 108 cannons, 50 rpg (He 162 A-0, A-1)
2 × 20 mm MG 151 cannons, 120 rpg (He 162 A-2)

ME-264 Amerika bomber










Crew: 8
Length: 69 ft 9 in (21.3 m)
Wingspan: 141 ft (43 m)
Height: 14 ft (4.3 m)
Wing area: 1,376 ft² (127.8 m²)
Empty weight: 46,630 lb (21,150 kg)
Loaded weight: 100,400 lb (45,540 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 123,000 lb (56,000 kg)
Powerplant: 4× BMW 801 G/H radial engines, 1,730 hp (1,272 kW) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 350 mph (560 km/h)
Cruise speed: 217 mph (350 km/h)
Range: 9,500 mi (15,000 km)
Service ceiling: 26,000 ft (8,000 m)
Rate of climb: 390 ft/min (120 m/min)
Wing loading: 72.9 lb/ft² (356 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.07 hp/lb (0.11 kW/kg)
Armament


4 × 13 mm (0.51 in) MG 131 machine guns
2 × 20 mm (0.79 in) MG 151 cannons
6,600 lb (3,000 kg) bombload in internal bay

Ho 229 1944

















General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 7.47 m (24 ft 6 in)
Wingspan: 16.76 m (55 ft 0 in)
Height: 2.81 m (9 ft 2 in)
Wing area: 50.20 m² (540.35 ft²)
Empty weight: 4,600 kg (10,141 lb)
Loaded weight: 6,912 kg (15,238 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 8,100 kg (17,857 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Junkers Jumo 004B turbojet, 8.7 kN (1,956 lbf) each
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 0.92, 977 km/h (607 mph) at 12,000 m (39,370 ft)
Combat radius: 1,000 km (620 mi)
Ferry range: 1,900 km (1,180 mi)
Service ceiling: 16,000 m (52,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 22 m/s (4,330 ft/min)
Wing loading: 137.7 kg/m² (28.2 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.26
Armament


2 × 30 mm MK 108 cannon
R4M rockets
2 × 500 kg (1,100 lb) bombs

ruhrstahl x-4 x-7






Specification


X-4 air-to-air missile
Primary Function: short-range air-to-air missile
Power Plant: BMW 109-448 liquid rocket motor giving 16 kN thrust for 33 s
Length: 2.01 m
Diameter: 0.22 m (max)
Wing Span: 0.726 m
Launch Weight: 60 kg
Speed: 325 m/s
Warhead: 20 kg
Range: 1.5 - 3.5 km
Fuzes: Kranich acoustic proximity fuze, tuned to the pitch of a bomber's propellers
Guidance system: FuG 510/238 "Düsseldorf/Detmold" MCLOS visual guidance with wire control
Unit Cost:
Date Deployed: never


X-7 anti-tank missile
Primary Function: anti-tank guided missile
Power Plant: solid rocket motor
Length:
Diameter:
Wing Span: 0.726 m
Launch Weight: 9 kg
Speed: 245 m/s
Warhead: 2.5 kg hollow charge.
Range: 1,000 m
Fuzes: impact (?)
Guidance system: MCLOS visual guidance with wire control
Unit Cost:
Date Deployed: never

Fritz X
Air-to-Ship, Wireless Guided, Gliding Bomb







Designer Max Kramer
Manufacturer Ruhrstahl
Specifications
Weight 1,362 kg (3,000 lb)
Length 3.32 m (11 ft)
Width 1.40 m (5 ft)
Diameter 85.3 cm (2 ft 8 in)

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Warhead amatol explosive, armour-piercing
Warhead weight 320 kg (705 lb)

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Operational
range 5 km (3 miles)
Speed 343 m/s (1,235 km/h or 770 mph)
Guidance
system Kehl-Strassburg FuG 203/230; MCLOS

Henschel Hs 294 Torpedo Bomb















Manufacturer: Henschel
Type: Air launched guided glide torpedo bomb
First Launch: 1941
Dimensions:
Fuselage Diameter: 620mm
Length: 6114mm
Weight: 2170 kg.
Propulsion Unit: 2 x HWK 109-507D
Fuel Weight: N/A
Thrust (kiloponds): 1,300
Explosive Weight: 630kg
Wing Span: 4025mm
Wing Area: 5.30 Cubic Meters

Targeting:
Hs 294D - Television guidance from launch plane.
Number Produced:
20 Hs 294 V1
40 to 80 Hs 294 A-0
45 Hs 294 V2
20 Hs 294 D

Rheintochter SAM










Primary Function: surface-to-air missile
Contractor: Rheinmetall-Borsig
Power Plant: RI variant was 2-stage solid fuel; RIII was liquid fuel with solid-fuel boosters
Length: 10.3 m
Diameter: cm
Wing Span: 265 cm
Launch Weight: 1748 kg
Speed: 485 m/s
Warhead: 136 kg explosive
Range: km
Altitude: R1 8 km
Fuzes: "Kranich" acoustic proximity fuze
Guidance system: MCLOS visual guidance. The rocket had flares located on the wingtips to help the operator keep track of it.
Unit Cost:
Date Deployed:
Users: Germany

Schmetterling Enzian

Henschel Hs 117 Schmetterling











Characteristics
Primary Function: surface-to-air missile
Contractor: Henschel
Power Plant:
booster rockets: 2 Schmidding 109-553 solid-fuel boosters, giving total 17.1 kN (1750 kgf) thrust for 4 s
main rocket: liquid fuel BMW 109-558 rocket motor giving 3.7 kN (375 kgf) for 33 s, followed by 588 N (60 kgf) for 24 s
Propellants: SV-Stoff (nitric acid), Tonka
Length: 4.2 m (13 ft 9 in)
Diameter: 350 mm
Wing Span: 2 m
Launch Weight: 420 kg (presumably excluding boosters, which weighed a total of 170 kg)
Speed: 183 m/s (not sure about this)
[tests showed 304m/s initial, slowing to 270-210m/s ]

Warhead: 25 kg explosive
Range: 32 km (20 mi)
Altitude: 10.7 km
Fuzes: Fuchs proximity fuze
Guidance system: MCLOS; visual guidance, radio controls
Unit Cost:
Date Deployed: never
Users: Germany. The Soviet Union used Hs-117 in post war tests as the R-105, in order to develop an air-defence system.

Bachem Ba 349





General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 6.02 m (19 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 3.60 m (11 ft 10 in)
Height: ()
Wing area: 4.8 m² (51.7 ft²)
Empty weight: 800 kg (1,940 lb)
Loaded weight: 2,232 kg (4,920 lb)
Powerplant:
1× Walter HWK 509A liquid-fuel rocket, 16.7 kN (10,600 lbf)
4× Schmidding 109-533 (1.200 kp, 11,768 kN, 10 seconds) solid fuel rocket boosters, () each
Performance

Maximum speed: 1,000 km/h (625 mph)
Service ceiling: 14,000 m (46,000 ft)
Endurance: 6 minutes of flight
Armament


24 × 73 mm Henschel Hs 217 Föhn rockets or 33 × 55 mm R4M rockets

Tausendfüßler(V3)

Landkreuzer P1000 'Ratte'












Weight 1000 tonnes
Length 35.00 m
Width 14.00 m
Height 11.00 m
Crew 20+

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Armor 150 - 360 mm
Primary
armament 2x 280 mm 54.5 SK C/34
Secondary
armament 1x 128 mm KwK 44 L/55
8x 20 mm Flak38
2x 15 mm MG 151/15
Engine 8x Daimler-Benz MB501 20-cylinder marine diesel engines
or 2x MAN V12Z32/44 24-cylinder marine diesel engines
16,000 or 17,000 hp (13,000 kW)
Operational
range ?
Speed 40 km/h
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1500-ton Self-Propelled 80cm Gun

E-100 Maus















Weight:
188,000kg (4,136,000 lbs)/206 tons

Crew:
6 men

Engine:
Daimler-Benz MB 509 / 12-cylinder / 1080hp (V1)
Daimler-Benz MB 517 Diesel / 12-cylinder / 1200hp (V2)

Fuel Capacity:
2650-2700 liters + 1500 liters in reserve tank

Speed:
13-20km/h

Range:
Road: 160-190km
Cross-Country: 62km

Length:
10.09m (33.297 ft)

Width:
3.67m (12.111 ft)

Height:
3.63m (11.979 ft)

Armament:


128mm KwK 44 L/55 & 75mm KwK 44 L/36.5
1 x 7.92mm MG34

Ammo:
128mm - 55-68 rounds
75mm - 200 rounds

Armor (mm/angle):
Turret Roof: 60/90
Gun Mantlet: 250/round
Front Turret: 220-240/round
Superstructure Roof: 50-100/9
Front Glacis Plate: 200/55
Hull Front: 200/35
Belly Plate Fore: 100/90
Side Turret: 200/30
Hull Side Upper: 180/0
Hull Side Lower: 100+80/0
Rear Turret: 200/15
Hull Rear Upper: 150/37
Hull Rear Lower: 150/30
Belly Plate Aft: 50/90

sto mislite?

Šta ima da mislimo, sto puta prežvakana tema, kao da saveznici nisu imali svoja napredna oružja, ništa lošija od nemačkih.

heh pa vidijo sam te saveznicke tajne projekte i zaklucijo sam da su bili hrpe smece. Saveznike i Rusija su dobili slicnih tajne projekte u 50tih u hladni rat, kada su ukrali njemacke ideje cak do danas. Idi i citaj knjigu jedamputa.

Nisu ni znali sto je mlazni motor, niti protuzracna raketa, niti neke dobre tenkove osim T-34, tek kada su zarobili njemackih inzenjera i naucnika

Cinjenica je da je Nemacka prednjacila sa gomilom secret-wonder projekata. Mozda objasnjenje treba traziti u cinjenici da je vec krajem 42 postalo jasno da ce biti tesko dobiti rat samo konvecionalnim sredstvima, a sa druge strane saveznicko oruzje bivalo je sve bolje, tako je tehnicka premoc nemackog oruzja sa pocetka WWII, naglo opadala.
Mislim da je vecina projekta bila besmislena i da je rat potrajao ne bi dosli dalje od prototipa, a ipak neki projekti su toliko ispred vremena, kao sto je Ju287, mlazni bombarder sa obrnutom strelom krila, za saveznike tada je to bio cist SF. Ako pogledamo siluete i uopste koncepciju ovih x aviona, ocigledan je uticaj na mnoge kasnije USA ili SSSR projekte. Neka od ovih oruzja postala su i operativna poput radio vodjene bombe Fritz X, kojom je ako se dobro secam potopljen italijanski bojni brod Roma, prilikom pokusaja predaje saveznicima. Inace valjda je dobro da za vecinu ovoga nije bilo vremena da se usavrsi, cime bi se rat produzio sasvim dovoljno da i Evropa dobije svoju Hiroshimu.
Projekte ovih super-super teskih tenkova ne bih komentarisao, nikada mi nije bilo jasno kako je jedna po svojoj prirodi racionalna armija - drzava, mogla odobriti proizvodnju ovakvih dinosaurusa.

Od nemačkih "tajnih oružja" Fritz-X i Hs-293 su jedini korišćeni sa uspehom, i njihov razvoj je mogao da zada probleme savezničkim brodovima.
Ipak, vrlo brzo su napravljeni ometači za radio-signal navođenja, pa su ih lako ometali.

Inače su i amerikanci razvijali vođene bombe (Azon, Razon i Tarzon), kojima su gađali vijadukte u Burmi pred kraj rata.

Takođe je manje poznato da su zapadni saveznici imali vođena torpeda, koja su se navodila na zvuk kavitacije koje je proizvodio propeler podmornice koja je brzo zaranjala. Uspešno korištena u borbi.

Za nemački oklop - gomila besmislenih projekata. Kad su se oni zamajavali ovim glupostima, sovjeti su završavali T-54 (koji se i danas koristi), englezi Centuriona, a amerikanci Peršinga.

Sa navedenom artiljerijom je još gora stvar...

Nemačke rakete su napravile veliki tehnološki napredak, ali vojno gledano su imale mali učinak.

Pravo oružje koje je vredelo razvijati je bila atomska bomba, a tu su amerikanci, pa i sovjeti bili ispred nemaca.

Antone,
Evo za tebe jedan Sovjetski predratni projekat...
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Vathra Vathra pa i nijemci su skoro imali atomsku bombu prije nego amera problem je bijo da nije imao toliko rezurse i sredstava sa atomsku bombu zbog bombadiranje etc...

A Evo za te ruske projekte pa dobri su ali trebas znat to je poslije rata ili skoro do kraja gdije su ruse kao amerikanse ukrali i uzeli ideje od njemacke projekte

a za oklopa imas njemacki E-1000

Anton ::

Vathra Vathra pa i nijemci su skoro imali atomsku bombu prije nego amera problem je bijo da nije imao toliko rezurse i sredstava sa atomsku bombu zbog bombadiranje etc...

A Evo za te ruske projekte pa dobri su ali trebas znat to je poslije rata ili skoro do kraja gdije su ruse kao amerikanse ukrali i uzeli ideje od njemacke projekte

Nemci skoro imali atomsku bombu?
U kojoj video igri?

Inače, sovjeti su počeli ranije pravljenje atomske bombe, ali nisu imali rudnike uranijuma. Preko land-lease su tražili od amerikanaca uranijum, koji im naravno nisu dali. Prve količine su preuzeli od nemaca, koji su ih uzeli od belgijanaca, koji su to vadili iz rudnika u koloniji Kongo. Posle rata sovjeti počinju da traže rudnika uranijuma i nalaze ih na svojoj teritoriji, kao i u istočnoj evropi.

Kako ti je i napisano, Borovkov-Florov projekat je predratni (prekinut 1941.)

Saveznici su pokupili od nemaca sve što im je vredelo, naravno.
I od gomile tih projekata samo su nastavili da razvijaju rakete na tečno gorivo, sa tom razlikom da je Koroljev kod Sovjeta progurao svoje koncepte razvoja, a kod amerikanaca je Fon Braun lično vodio kosmički program.